What do you do if the most senior person in your organization, the CEO, refuses to wear security badges- an essential control for identifying associates and restricting physical entry? Listen as John uses creativity to win the heart and mind of the CEO and embrace and become a strong advocate of the security awareness program! To view the article from the CISO COMPASS Book that sparked this interview, please visit: https://securityweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/CISOSTORIES_JohnCeraolo_ArticleV2.pdf Ceraolo, J. 2019. Listening and Using Creativity in You Security Program In CISO COMPASS: Navigating Cybersecurity Leadership Challenges with Insights from Pioneers, 1st Ed, pgs. 371-2. Fitzgerald, T. CRC Press, Boca Raton, Fl. www.amazon.com/author/toddfitzgerald. This segment is sponsored by Wiz. Visit https://securityweekly.com/wiz to learn more about them! Visit https://securityweekly.com/csp for all the latest episodes! Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/cyberleaders Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybersecuritycollaborative/ Visit https://securityweekly.com/csp for all the latest episodes!  Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/csp83