Jimmy Eat World are taking off the better part of a year. What does the drummer do with that down time after 20+ years on the road? Zach Lind spends as much time as he can with his wife Holly and in time, they started making music together. I talk to both of them about their side project The Wretched Desert, faith, thoughts on emo and how they kept in touch in those early days of Jimmy Eat World. I also found out from our chat that Zach probably served me popcorn at minor league baseball games I attended 30 years ago. Jimmy Eat small World. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/washedupemo) Washed Up Emo is a partner of the Double Elvis podcast network.