Ben from Armor for Sleep and I go back to his days on EVR and the "What To Do When You Are Dead" album, that I spent two years of my life working on. I was learning so much about the music industry and completely naive that a small indie label could compete with the majors in radio and video. What a fun ride and it was great to spend a little time with Ben talking about his life, music and what he is up to now.  Washed Up Emo is a partner of the Double Elvis podcast network.