Have you ever thought about moving into a leadership role? It can sound a bit daunting, perhaps scary, but also exciting. The idea of putting your hand to the wheel and directing the ship can be thrilling. Leading a team of individuals is a prospect that many people dream of.The Angular Show had an opportunity to sit down with Sam Julien, Director of Developer Relations at Auth0, to discuss his move from engineer, to DevRel, to Director of DevRel. Sam shares how he first learned that his passion was DevRel and then how he grew into a leader. Sam shares some great resources that he has used to learn the skills necessary to be an effective and compassionate leader of his team. He also shares some of the struggles and hurdles that he has faced on his journey.Grab your iced, double-shot, oat milk latte and join Aaron Frost, Jeniffer Wadella, and Brian Love as they chat with Sam about his journey. We also recognize that not everyone is passionate about leadership. That's cool - much respect. In fact, many organizations now have engineering-specific growth opportunities that prevent forcing people into leadership and management in order to gain increased visibility, compensation, and influence in an organization. Our hope is that this episode of the Angular Show will inspire the future leaders of tomorrow to step into the role of leadership if that is their passion.