Fun to have on a legend of the game who has a hand in most everything within the game in Australia and has such an influential voice on many of today's most important debates on thought pieces about the future of golf. Mike is currently an architect with Clayton, Devries, and Pont, one of the coolest and most globally influential architecture firms in the game today. Their work has taken them all across the sand belt an much of the restorative work being done there, they are beginning to become the go to group in much of England, and finally, look out for some of their upcoming original works such as 7-Mile Beach in Tasmania.Mike and Walker also go deep on the topic of rollback, why you and I should care about it, and some of the more nuanced pieces of that discussion. The importance of rollback has a lot more to do with why and how people can enjoy the game more based on equipment and architecture rather than solely focusing on the topic within the realm of pro golf. We hope you enjoy the chat and also feel free to check out Mike's social channels as well as ours at the links below.Cheers,- The Tie GuysMike Clayton:@mike_clayton_golf on insta @mikeclaytongolf on twitterclaytongolf.com.auClayton, Devries, and Pont:@claytondevriespont on insta@cdpgolf1 on twitercdpgolf.comThe Tie:@thetiepodcast on twitter and instathetiegolfpodcast@gmail.com