We're joined in this week's episode by conservation biologist Gabi Fleury. Gabi works on wildlife-human conflict, primarily with African mammals. We talk about their work, doing conservation responsibly, conservation in space, and Gabi's many varied accomplishments. We also get a rare dose of real optimism!! It's unfamiliar but not unwelcome. 
Gabi was named in 2021 as one of Forbes Magazine's 30 Under 30 for science: https://www.forbes.com/30-under-30/2021/science/?profile=gabi-fleury
You can see more about their work and other appearances on their website: https://fleurygs3.wixsite.com/gabifleury
We have a transcript and show notes for this episode on our website: https://asabpodcast.com/2021/03/04/episode-22
Charles is on Twitter @cockroacharles and Tessa @spacermase. The show is on Twitter @ASABpod and our website asabpodcast.com. 
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