Interdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now)

Interdependence 11: Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail): Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be exploring in other conversations. Today we are thrilled to kick off this direction with a conversation with Tim Maughan, the author of Infinite Detail, winner of The Guardians best science fiction and fantasy book of 2019, and a gripping and prescient work that explores the simple question: what would happen if the internet stopped working? In this conversation we discuss sailing on a trade ship to China, the 21st century skills of reading how invisible networks dictate many aspects of our lives, conservatism and relevancy in science fiction, and how the book economy works, and could work better. Tim is a generous and funny guest, we hope you enjoy it! There is also a weird noise that occasionally appears on Tim's side, we tried to pull it by Interdependence

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Interdependence 4 - Jesse Engel (Google Magenta): In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project. Magenta is an open source research project exploring the role of machine learning as a tool in the creative process, developed by numerous researchers and engineers from the Google brain team, Google’s self directed machine intelligence group. Amongst many things we discuss the role and research focus of Magenta, look at how research lab OpenAI’s recent Jukebox project raised some necessary ethical debates around the puppeteering of living artists voices and styles, get psychedelic about how making music technology precedes spoken language, and discuss his latest exciting project. Check out the tools they have developed and reach out to Magenta here: https://magenta.tensorflow.org/ If you would like to hear the full episode, consider supporting the project at https://patreon.com/interdependence by Interdependence

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Interdependence 001. Evgeny Morozov: Evgeny Morozov joins to discuss COVID solutionism, left imagination and organizing the world's information with The Syllabus by Interdependence

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Interdependence 6 - Professor Guy Standing: In this latest episode we talk with Professor Guy Standing, who has been at the forefront of Basic Income research for 30 years, running pilots all over the world. by Interdependence

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Interdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now): In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence. We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician. This episode ends rather abruptly as we got lost in conversation and Kate had to run, so forgive us for the atypical ending! by Interdependence

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Interdependence 7 : Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange): In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the RadicalxChange Foundation, who recently held a conference in which we were speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister of Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others. Head over to RadicalxChange.org and look out for the deep list of archived talks. by Interdependence

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Interdependence 2: AI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré: We are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership. This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is often the first to feel the tremors for greater economic earthquakes, so it feels like an important conversation to jump into! by Interdependence

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Post Capitalist Desire, Melancholy, Psychedelia and Mark Fisher with Matt Colquhoun by Interdependence

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Emotional Capitalism, The Extreme Self and New Art Institutions with Shumon Basar by Interdependence

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Interdependence 8: David Turner (Penny Fractions): In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry. In this episode we discuss the music industry response to Black Lives Matter, positive infrastructural proposals that could lead to long lasting and meaningful diversification, the meme music economy, lessons from ad hoc protest gatherings and sitting on a small plane with Radiohead and Silento. David is a deeply thoughtful and fun guest, we hope you enjoy this one! by Interdependence

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Squad Wealth and Headless Brands with Other Internet by Interdependence

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German Funding of the American Avant Garde with Amy C. Beal by Interdependence

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Building the Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund) by Interdependence

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Interdependence 12: Dr Larisa Kingston Mann (DJ Ripley): For this episode we welcome academic and DJ Larisa Kingston Mann from Temple University in Philadelphia, whose work analyzes the relationship between law, technology, sovereignty and creativity, especially focusing on the ways changing media technologies affect communities’ ability to flourish Her PhD thesis “Rude Citizenship”, soon to be turned into a book, looks at the ways in which Jamaican popular music practices challenge the colonial underpinnings of copyright law and of sovereignty itself. We discuss the economics of Jamaican sound system culture, the sticky topic of copyright as a flawed protection for creators, and proposals for a fairer DJ economy. We had a few sound issues that we tried to clean up for this episode, and Larissa is a generous and fun guest. I hope you enjoy it and are having a great week! Thanks again for the support :) On Larisa's recommendation, we donated to support The Attic Youth Center in Phil by Interdependence

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Interdependence 10: Tom Gray (PRS): This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that streaming services work, and reform copyright policy to better protect songwriters and producers. We discuss the case for user centric streaming over the current pro-rata payment model, what is was like to witness the transition from sales to streaming as a successful touring band, and how, at a time when the song is earning the least amount it has ever earned, the expenses to develop the songs are being placed on the songwriter and producer more than ever before by labels and streaming. There are also some stories that border on ASMR, Tom has by far the best microphone we have encountered doing the podcast so far. by Interdependence

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Interdependence 5 - Liz Pelly: In this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler. We discuss whether the distinction of Independence is all that useful in music at this point in history, take a look at the ways in which the streaming platforms flatter some kinds of music and have flattered to deceive for others, and question what the recent Spotify exclusivity deal with Joe Rogan might mean for musicians. by Interdependence

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Interdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela): In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud ( (http://brud.fyi/) ), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA. We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitable. by Interdependence

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Anarchist UBI, local currencies and weird fatigue with Sarah Friend (Circles UBI): We join Sarah Friend, core dev from talk of the town project Circles UBI to discuss the crazy few weeks they have been having giving away a UBI through social trust networks. We pull apart how the project works and discuss the history of local currencies, potential dystopian scenarios, "weird fatigue" and the turbulence of pursuing an art practice that involves building things that do stuff. We went on a recording frenzy this past week so have a bunch more great episodes lined up. Hope you are all good! by Interdependence

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Berlin and the New Weird with Elvia Wilk: For the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great acclaim. by Interdependence

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Primacism: David Rudnick on the struggle for Primacy, type and poetry's unique value in an age of digital and physical conflict, and Percy Shelley's Mont Blanc by Interdependence

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Artist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORA: This week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices. We discuss their idea of dynamic pricing of art releases and at the advent of the musician RAC releasing his $RAC token through ZORA, the new space of artists and their audiences owning a stake in the value they interdependently create in the world. We also talk a tour around the very short history of artist token models, how these new tools are enabling financial literacy, what not to do, and what other potential models could emerge from this nascent era of collectively owned cultural institutions by Interdependence

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Cyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce Sterling by Interdependence

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Interdependent artist payments and live streaming through COVID-19 with Nico Perez (Mixcloud) by Interdependence

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World Fairs, WorldBuilding, the bicameral mind, the nightmare of organizing research and the art of memory with Kantbot by Interdependence

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Approachable AI for music, model markets, new DAWs and Holly+ with Never Before Heard Sounds by Interdependence

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Justice at Spotify with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers: Hi everyone, happy to share with you a conversation this week with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers, whose petition making demands of Spotify to improve terms for artists has gathered over 20,000 signatures and counting. We discuss those demands in detail, other initiatives they have undertaken and take the rare opportunity to have a conversation about living under streaming with other actively touring musicians . by Interdependence

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A New Club Economy w/ Richie Hawtin by Interdependence

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The CIA, CCF and Cultural Cold War with Frances Stonor Saunders: It was difficult to coordinate release schedules with the CIA but we got there in the end This week we discuss the CIA and the art world with Frances Stonor Saunders, author of the canonical book in this field "Who Paid The Piper?". Big thanks to the HKW for facilitating this discussion, and be sure to check out the other programming from their "Disappearance of Music" event. by Interdependence

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Hope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la Rouviere: In celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope! Buy the book! https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlock Follow Simon's writings! https://blog.simondlr.com/ Follow Simon! https://twitter.com/simondlr by Interdependence

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Protocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working Group by Interdependence

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