Operating on an 11 hour time difference via FaceTime Audio, Gabi and James analyze trauma’s slow climb to fame and how it’s morphed throughout the generations. They share personal stories of traumatic incidents and discuss the importance of choosing how and when to share. It is decided Resilience is due for a comeback. James manages to reference Oliver Twist, Oliver Stone’s JFK and Seinfeld, with varying degrees of lucidity. Join the illusion pod patreon