Today's guest is Dave Clayton. He is a Graphic Designer, Training Manager at Astute Graphics, an Instructor at Photoshop World and at KelbyOne, the author of "How do I do that in InDesign?", and the co-host of the He Shoots He Draws Design Podcast out of Swindon UK. During part two of this episode we talk about: -the journey to writing his book and what that was like. -why website design didn't work for him. -the time in his career that was the most defeating he has ever experienced, why, and how he got through it. Part Two of this interview is where the challenges and the stories about lessons come out. They will pull on your heartstrings and if you have experienced anything like it, you will feel these stories in your gut! @itsdaveclayton @astutegraphics