Kenny Mayne is best known for his career as an anchor at ESPN but when he sits down with Joe Walsh, they’re not talking sports. They discuss what allowed Trump to win in 2016, what made the January 6th insurrection possible, how modern tribalism allows us to believe our own facts and truths, and how civilized discourse may be the only salvation for our democracy. Kenny and Joe may disagree on governmental involvement overall, they do find some common ground in a funny, lively, and lengthy conversation.