Ep 24: Figuring Out Who Figures Out Clay

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Ep 24: Figuring Out Who Figures Out Clay

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74 minutes

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May 7, 2018

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Jeff and Carl consider the causes of clay success, with specific discussions of Frances Tiafoe, Hyeon Chung, Kiki Bertens, and Elise Mertens, among others.

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May 7, 2018

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Jeff Sackmann talks tennis and analytics with a rotating cast of experts and superfans.

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$Ep 35: Here Comes Aryna Sabalenka: The WTA's new star lifted another trophy last week, and she increasingly looks like the strongest player in a fractured field.$
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Ep 24: Figuring Out Who Figures Out Clay

Ep 24: Figuring Out Who Figures Out Clay

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