Calls for arms to take precedence over humanitarian assistance in Ukraine are driving renewed discussions over the limits of aid neutrality. In this pop-up episode of the Rethinking Humanitarianism podcast, host Heba Aly sits down with Yevhenia Cravchuk, a Ukrainian member of parliament, Ukrainian first aid responder Fedir Serdiuk, and Robert Mardini, the director-general of the International Committee of the Red Cross.