An activist for marine life conservation, Ellen Cuylaerts is an award-winning underwater and wildlife photographer. Ellen educates on the challenges our oceans are facing and has addressed heads of state at the UN General Assembly to highlight the plight of filmmakers engaging in the protection of the oceans. Since 2018, Ellen has also been diving in the silence of caves and in 2019 was inducted into the Women Divers Hall of Fame. Today, her work is on display in exhibitions around the world.In this conversation, Richard investigates what it takes to photograph successfully in unpredictable underwater conditions, especially when face to face with sharks. Ellen talks of her methodology, inspiration and unique mindset. She explains how her images bridge a deeper connection between humanity and nature, which is vital when we are faced with pollution and climate change. Content warning: a mention of suicide occurs from 45 minutes 16 seconds to 46 minutes 29 seconds.