The influence of public health on politics, at least at the beginning of the pandemic, had never been stronger - but now it seems as hard to persuade politicians to pay attention as ever, yet political will is essential in making different sectors work together to create a healthier world.

In this podcast, The BMJ's editor in chief, Kamran Abbasi is joined by Shyama Kuruvilla, senior strategic adviser at World Health Organization, and Kent Buse, director of the global healthier societies program at The George Institute for Global Health.

They discuss examples of where multisectoral working has managed to bridge the gaps between sectors, and how healthcare needs to get political to make that success more widespread.

This is part of the collection "The world we want: Actions towards a sustainable, fairer and healthier society" - https://www.bmj.com/pmac-2022