On the podcast, we’ve talked a lot about the limits of medicine - where treatment doesn’t work, or potentially harms. But in that conversation, we’ve mainly focused on specific treatments.

Now a new analysis, broadens that to talk about patients being admitted to a whole ward - intensive care. The authors of that article contend that, often, patients or their families don’t fully understand the implication of that admission.

To discuss, we're joined by Jamie Gross, consultant in intensive care medicine at London North West University Healthcare NHS Trust, and by Barry Williams, patient representative at the Intensive Care Society.

Read the full analysis:
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4135