We speak with Abdullah Shihipar about the state of the pandemic as cases rise once again, the recent CDC study showing 140,000 children have lost a parent or caregiver to the pandemic, and how to resist the omnipresent social pressure to give up and accept covid.

Abdullah Shihipar is a contributing writer for Business Insider and leads Narrative Projects and Policy Impact initiatives at the People, Place & Health Collective (PPHC) at the Brown University School of Public Health.

Read Abdullah's piece on covid, kids, and their caregivers here: https://www.businessinsider.com/children-kids-lost-parents-covid-19-biden-mental-health-2021-11

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