This is a special episode, as today - October 4th - is our 4th anniversary of releasing episodes of Millennials Are Killing Capitalism. In this episode Josh and Jay look back on 4 years of doing the podcast, and on different contradictions and issues we’re thinking about currently. Some folks might read this as a bit of a pessimistic conversation, and to the extent that this comes across, neither of us want to encourage a pessimistic outlook. We simply don’t have the time for that. However, it is incumbent upon us and upon every person who cares about having a future, every person who cares about a livable world, much less a better world, to take a self-inventory of both ourselves as individuals and of our social relationships, relationships to Empire, and our own involvement in organization to build power to make our ideas a collective reality before it truly is too late. For any comments that come across as petty, our goal is not to call individual folks out, or to suggest that ones position within an institution or society precludes them from making revolutionary sacrifices. Rather, we want to encourage folks to think critically about the cultivation of revolutionary culture and how to be better stewards of that collectively. We would especially like to thank all of our guests, anyone who has shared time and thought with us over the last 4 years. We are primarily a guest driven platform and wouldn’t be what we are without so many amazing people sharing their time with us. So thank you.  We’d also like to express gratitude to all of the people who have used conversations we’ve had in their classrooms, in their organizations, in their study groups. It’s been really meaningful to hear that these conversations are generating others, particularly in movement spaces or in classrooms where teachers are committed to providing students with different discourses than they find within the mainstream. Lastly, of course to everyone who has contributed to the show monetarily, although we are both deeply committed to this work, it is likely that the show would not still be here - and it certainly would not have as many episodes - without the financial support that has made this possible.  We would also like to thank Televangel, who we neglected to shout-out in the introduction. Televangel has provided the music for a couple years now and you can check out his great work here.  It is our 4 year anniversary and we are on a current push towards sustainability, our goal is to reach 1,000 patrons for the show. As of recording this we are approximately 75 patrons away from that goal so if you like what we do, just know you can support us for as little as $1 a month, the same amount (without factoring inflation!) that Paul Robeson’s Freedom was requesting of readers in the 1950’s. Also we shout-out a lot of political prisoners and former political prisoners in this conversation. We encourage folks to contribute to the Mutual Aid fund for Veteran Black Panther Party Members and other organizations that support political prisoners and movement veterans.