John is a legend in design. Although he currently defines himself as a technologist, John is also an artist, educator, graphic designer, computer scientist and engineer. He is internationally known for his talks, books and thought leadership on the intersection of technology and design. His diverse career spans from teaching at MIT Media Lab to being the president of the Rhode Island School of Design. John is the recipient of nearly every prestigious design award such as the AIGA Gold Medal and the White House’s National Design Award. His latest book, How to Speak Machine, was published in 2019. Bon and John talk about computational design, John shares some sage tips on creativity, and they both make way too many Star Wars references.