What happens when a philosopher of science shows up at a flat earth conference to test out his theories about changing people's minds? This story catapults you into Lee Mcintyre’s new book, How to Talk to a Science Denier. As anti-vaccine and anti-quarantine protests flare up around the world, and the pandemic drags us all through financial and emotional destruction, discussing science communication has become more necessary than ever. Mcintyre's 2018 book, Post-Truth, examined the manipulative world of “alternative facts.” As a sort of addendum, his latest charts a boots-on-the-ground course to understanding and engaging with false beliefs. My interview with Lee is the main focus of today's episode. After we run the interview, the three of us will debrief and discuss.01:36 Introduction04:38 Interview w/Lee McIntyre1:04:21 Trust & CommunicationAll music by EarthRise SoundSystemSupport Conspirituality on PatreonShow NotesTalking to science deniers and sceptics is not hopelessWhen Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political MisperceptionsSanta Claus and Dr. Tam have a video chat