"Spies, Lies, and Algorithms": a conversation with Amy Zegart

So Much for Conventional Wisdom, America Actually Seems to Care About Foreign Policy: It has long been a foundational belief of political smarties everywhere that the average American does not give a hoot about foreign policy. But that, according to a new study from the Center for American Progress, is just not true. Maybe 20 percent don't give a hoot. And about 30 percent are nutty nationalists. But 50 percent are more in the internationalist vein which could have big implications for the 2020 elections. We discuss with CAP's Brian Katulis, Georgetown Law's Rosa Brooks and the German Marshall Fund's Evelyn Farkas. (And while we're at it, we throw in a little Iran, Israel, North Korea and Venezuela for good measure. Tune in!)Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='colo by Deep State Radio

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Another Fine Mess: The Country is Full But the Administration is Empty: According to the president, we have a crisis on our southern border. And we have national security threats from N. Korea to Venezuela to Iran. And yet, we don't have a Secretary of Defense, of the Air Force, a WH Chief of Staff, a UN Ambassador and well, anybody of consequence in any top job at the Department of Homeland Security. Which leaves everything to our president his slathering loyal assistant Igor...er, Stephen Miller. Which would make for a great horror movie but a lousy national security prognosis for the world's most powerful nation. Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake, Evelyn Farkas and David Rothkopf discuss. Join us. Support us by supporting our sponsor: Blinkist is the only app that takes the best key takeaways, the need-to-know information from thousands of nonfiction books and condenses them down into just 15 minutes so you can read -or- listen to. Right now, for a by Deep State Radio

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Fun, Laughs, Good Times: A Conversation with Three of my Favorite Tweople: What do you get when you combine four mouthy tweople (that 's people on twitter.) You get chaos, laughter, political conversation and did I mention chaos? On this special episode of "Washington for Beautiful People," Emily is joined by the shy Philippe Reines, positively demure @Goldengateblond (aka Shauna) and the delicate flower Allison Winn Scotch. (Please read those descriptions with the appropriate sarcasm.) The conversation took all sorts of roller coaster twists and turns. Listen in to hear their 2020 picks and the one question that no one on the panel could address...dun dun dun!Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/pr by Deep State Radio

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Bribing Your Way into the Global Elite: In this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf remains in an undisclosed location, and Rosa Brooks -- the Mike Pence of Deep State Radio (or maybe the Harry Truman?) -- again steps in as host. Rosa, Ed Luce and Heather Hurlburt wonder if the US college admissions scandal tells us something about global fears of class slippage and economic ruin, and the team does a round robin on issues in the news: Saudi kill teams, Syrian chaos, and the end of the Trum Kim Jung Un love affair.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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That's a Pretty Putrid Pony Blanket You've Got There: According to our Kori Schake of IISS, a military term for a strategy document is a "pony blanket." On this episode we do the unthinkable and discuss our "strategies" (and we use the term loosely) in the Americas at the moment--in Venezuela, on our border, with the countries of Central America and with some new regional leaders who are, let's face it, pretty awful. (You know who you are Jair and AMLO.). Join us as we spend a caliente episode south of the border with Kori, David Sanger of the New York Times and Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks. Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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Who Is America's Worst Ally...and Can Joe Biden Make Everything Right Again?: As we look toward 2020 will it matter that apparently the White House was handing out security clearances like candy on Halloween? Will Trump's horrible foreign policy matter? (Or will the ways he attempts to spin it as a yuge success?) And can Joe Biden save the day...or at least give us a soothing shoulder massage? (We joke because we love. Ok, we're ambivalent. But we joke anyway.). Join Kori Schake of IISS, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and host, David Rothkopf of somewhere near's Joe's Pizzeria in New York City, for this latest episode of what we might call, if we were Donald Trump, your favorite podcast.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener by Deep State Radio

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The Threat Is Not War With Iran, It's Right Here at Home: Trump talks tough. But like most bullies, he shies away from any real fight. The problem is talking tough increases tensions and that raises the risk of accidental war (made more possible by the fact our National Security Advisor is a pyromaniac with a box of matches). But scary as all that is, more dangerous is what is happening at home--both in terms of the GOP war on our democracy, on women, on immigrants and on our every standard of decency and in terms of what has been a pretty sluggish response to it all by the Democrats in the Congress. What's next and why you should always have a basement full of non-perishable treats are what we discuss with DSR regular Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and our friends from the Unredacted from DSR podcast, Philippe Reines, Molly Jong-Fast and Emily Brandwin. Tune in!Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/ by Deep State Radio

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The President of the United States is a One Man Crime Wave: The Speaker of the House and Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee have declared we are in a Constitutional Crisis. The White House has adopted a policy of "total stonewalling" denying any documents to any House committee to enable mandated oversight. The GOP is playing hardball knowing that whether they delay outcomes or prevent them outright they win. It's a war of attrition and if it gets them to a win in November 2020 it's a huge victory. They're enabling an imperial presidency via a political insurgency and they don't care whether the US or our system are weakened or our enemies empowered...so long as they win. So what's the Democratic Party opposition to do? We discuss with Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Washington Post and Ryan Goodman of Just Security. It's a helluva discussion. BYOB. You don't want to miss this one. Support this show by Deep State Radio

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Jump Down the Trash Shoot Flyboy: A Brexit Update: The current leadership in the UK may or may not be the worst since the low points of Plantagenet rule. Our experts Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of IISS, and Amanda Sloat of Brookings, consider this, the likelihood that a Robin Hood is likely to emerge to save the U.K. (hopefully not the Russell Crowe version) and what may be next in that country's mad march toward self-destruction. It's an important issue with deep ties to the Trump-Russia investigation, as well. Join us.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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The Day I pledged Wine & Fries Sorority: A Conversation with Sam Vinograd and Asha Rangappa: “Washington for Beautiful People” hit the road for a very special episode taped from the campus of Yale University. CNN’s two favorite political minds Asha Rangappa & Sam Vinograd joined Emily for a wide (very wide) ranging discussion about Trump, favorite musicals (there was judgment) 2020 hot picks and who was on each other’s list (yup, that list). You’ll laugh, you’ll be surprised and you’ll get to know the Wine & Fries ladies.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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The One In Which Kori Schake Shuts Down the Biden Campaign Before It Gets Started: It has been a busy week in foreign affairs even if you have been too glued to the Mueller Report, the White House Easter Egg roll and Game of Thrones to pay any attention. Ukraine elected a comedian with no government experience as president and while that was a triumph for democracy, well, now comes the hard part. The US ratcheted up tensions with Iran and we all know where that's going. North Korea tweaked the president with a test of a new weapons system. And...the Democratic presidential race got one candidate with a big foreign policy pedigree. But we must ask, does such a pedigree matter or is something else more important. Tune in to listen to Kori Schake slam home that answer in the midst of quotes from the "Far Side" and Walt Whitman and then to listen the German Marshall Fund's Laura Rosenberger, formerly Hillary Clinton's top foreign policy advisor, offer a per by Deep State Radio

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Sen. Chris Murphy: From the Middle East to the Southern Border What We Need Most is New Leadershi: National Security Magazine by Deep State Radio

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If the 25th Amendment Won't Work, What if the Government Just Ignored the President for a Couple Years?: David Sanger of the New York Times joins Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Kori Schake of IISS to discuss why the president's top advisors don't want their staffs raising the issue of protecting the US from further Russian attacks on our democracy and what it might mean. Is he a traitor? Is he a moron? Is our government falling apart? Are these mutually exclusive? Tune in to the latest Deep State Radio to find out. Our podcasts are free and will remain free, but there are significant production costs associated with them. Please consider supporting our work by becoming a member. Members receive early access to all the podcasts via private feed, exclusive member-only content, discounts on Deep State Radio Swag, an ad free experience and an official Deep State Radio mug. Your support helps us to continue to expand and improve our po by Deep State Radio

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Did I Forget to Mention, His Dad Worked for the CIA: A Conversation with Diedrich Bader: Diedrich Bader was born in D.C, lived in Paris, Dad worked for the CIA (yup, that CIA) and he has an IMDB page that's longer than a CVS receipt. I think it's official, Diedrich Bader just claimed the title as the most interesting man in the world. Growing up, Bader's family's business was USG and as a result we had a lively, passionate, wide ranging conversation on what's working and what isn't working in Washington (hint: D.C. is broken y'all.) You know Bader as the scene stealer from Veep, Office Space, and American Housewife, but really get to know him on this podcast.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/priv by Deep State Radio

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Empty Posturing with Iran?: The US has designated Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, the first time it has done so with a foreign military. Some see this as the ratcheting up of tensions and a prelude to war. Some see it as another gift to the re-election campaign of Bibi Netanyahu. And some, including our experts, see it primarily as more posturing from a blustering bully who doesn't want any real wars on his watch, he just wants to look tough. Kori Schake of IISS, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Fund discuss and consider where, if anywhere, we might nonetheless bumble into conflict. Tune in.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://ac by Deep State Radio

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My Midwest Chat Fest: My Conversation with Paul Adelstein: You've seen him in Scandal, Private Practice & Grey's Anatomy..so basically ever single Shonda Rhimes show that you're obsessed with Paul Adelstein has been in. Paul and Emily bonded over their Midwest roots talking theater, politics and everything in between. Paul and Emily hypothetically cast the Trump White House movie and you'll never guess what roles they each would like to play.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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200 Podcast Episodes Later How Bad Have Things Gotten for America?: It's not our fault. The month before DSR started Comey got fired, Mueller got hired, and we were off to the races with the Greatest Witch Hunt in History. Many witches later...and 200 podcasts later...we look back to ask: What has changed the most in America since we launched? Join Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of IISS, Christine Wormuth of the Rand Corporation and Ed Luce of the financial times for a special episode that makes up in sharp insights what it lacks in confetti and popping champagne corks! Our 200th episode is brought to you by MOVA Globes. MOVA Globes turn all on their own, with or without a base, in any setting with ambient lighting. No batteries are needed and no sloppy cords to detract from your enjoyment. Each globe has a transparent outer shell made from carefully selected, high-quality acrylic. This external layer remains stationary while an inter by Deep State Radio

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How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Mueller Report: We'll get some of the Mueller Report later this week. Or the Barr version of the Mueller Report. And it is certain to prove the president innocent...or guilty. Hot takes will fly. But as our guests Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times point out, we won't know for days what this version of the report means or what it's missing. So take a nap. Have a walk. Play with your kids. Celebrate Easter or Passover. Enjoy the weekend, you won't miss a thing if you skip Twitter for a few days (provided you listen to our episode). What's more, note our guests, the Mueller Report is probably the least of our problems. So...um...there's also that. Feel better yet? Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr><p style='col by Deep State Radio

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How I Learned to Perfect My Key Lime Pie: A Conversation with Andrew Zimmern: This week on “Washington for Beautiful People,” Emily’s special guest is a chef, entrepreneur, father, teacher, author, television host and the guy who eats all the strange shit….Andrew Zimmern. Andrew and Emily talk politics but dive into a discussion about social activism and surviving major life struggles. They also talk about St. Louis cuisine (yes, it’s good…ignore Bagelgate) and Emily gets shamed but then gets tips on how to perfect her key lime pie (hint, she’s been doing it ALL wrong.)Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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Remember the Part of the Mueller Report that Was About Being Attacked by a Foreign Enemy?: No, the Mueller report was not about exoneration. No, it was not about politics. But one thing it was about at its inception was that the US had been attacked by a foreign enemy and we wanted to find out why. Presumably with the intent of stopping it. So...how come we're not doing that? And how come we're not more outraged that our government seems to think saving their own skin is more important than that, so important that they deem it essential to protect our attackers? We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of IISS, and Laura Rosenberger of the German Marshall Fund. This is important, don't miss it. Support us by supporting our sponsor: Blinkist is the only app that takes the best key takeaways, the need-to-know information from thousands of nonfiction books and condenses them down into just 15 minutes so you can read -or- by Deep State Radio

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A Crappy Human Being Surrounded by Other Crappy Human Beings: Despite the pronouncements of the Trump Administration that the president has been fully exonerated (and those by his spokesperson that people who accused him are guilty of treason and should be put to death), let's not get ahead of ourselves. Especially about the death penalty for Trump critics part. That's a little close to home. We've still not seen the actual Mueller report, note our experts Rosa Brooks and Evelyn Farkas, and regardless of what it says, the president is still awash in corruptions, surrounded by thugs and the subject of many more investigations. So perhaps this latest "turning point" for Trump may not be much of a turning point at all. We discuss. So you should tune in. Support us by supporting our sponsor: Blinkist is the only app that takes the best key takeaways, the need-to-know information from thousands of nonfiction books and condenses them down into just by Deep State Radio

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The Great Successor: A Conversation with Anna Fifield on Her New Book on Kim Jong Un: Anna Fifield, Beijing Bureau Chief of the Washington Post, has written an extraordinary new book providing never before available insights into North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un. Deep State Radio regular's Kori Schake of IISS and David Sanger of the New York Times, join Anna for a discussion of the book, of Kim, of the current fragile state of U.S.-N.K. relations (and why a deal may yet happen before election day 2020). We also look at the fraught U.S.-China relationship and why tensions in the South China Sea might not be the most contentious flashpoint the two countries face. Tune in! This episode of Deep State Radio is brought to you by Skillshare. Support our work by supporting our sponsor. Skillshare is an online learning community with thousands of amazing classes covering dozens of creative and entrepreneurial skills. You can take classes in everything from by Deep State Radio

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Still in Deep Doo Doo: The Only Mueller Report Podcast You'll Ever Need: Sick of the Mueller Report tsunami of news and commentary? Zoning out on tepid hot takes from the usual suspects? Want to know what the Mueller Report really means, what's next, what went wrong, why this isn't the end but the beginning and why Don, Jr.'s trolls are both the dumbest and most dangerous on the Net? Then tune in for this special Deep State Radio Muellerpalooza with an all star line up including Rosa Brooks, Ed Luce, Katie Phang, Molly Jong Fast and Phillipe Reines. It's a rollicking hour about an ever deepening threat to the American way of life. Tune in now! (Or watch on our YouTube Channel.)Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' hre by Deep State Radio

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Balloons Over London: The Latest Dispatch from the Milkshake Wars: Much as the barrage balloons that used to float above London during the blitz were ominous reminders of dire impending threats, so too does the large inflatable Baby Trump that floats over London when the American president visits convey a foreboding message. Trump's trip, despite the pomp offered up by the Royal Family, has come with protests and much the same is expected when he arrives in Ireland and later this week in Europe. Does it suggest a deep or permanent rift in the trans-Atlantic relationship or something more temporary? Our regulars Rosa Brooks, David Sanger, Ed Luce and Evelyn Farkas discuss these and other big international issues of the week in a podcast that was lively but milkshake attack free. Join us! This episode of Deep State Radio is brought to you by Skillshare. Support our work by supporting our sponsor. Skillshare is an online learning community with by Deep State Radio

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Racism, Hatred and the Moment in American and World Politics: According to Jonathan Greenblatt, National Director and CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, this is a particular fraught moment in the long history of the politics of race and history in America and around the world. We talk to Greenblatt in a special, thought-provoking, wide-ranging interview that touches upon the President's attacks on the members of "The Squad," the perversity of turning accusations of anti-semitism into a racist cudgel, the institutionalization of hate in America and the global rise of ethnographies-nationalism. It is one of the most disturbing trends of our era and you should not miss this essential discussion of why we are here and where we are headed.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target= by Deep State Radio

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30 Years After Tiananmen: What Direction is China Heading?: With his new book, "China's New Red Guard: The Return of Radicalism and the Rebirth of Mao Zedong" author Jude Blanchette describes vividly a shift in the politics of China that has profound implications for that country and the world. In this episode, he discusses the book and with Rosa Brooks and Evelyn Farkas discusses China's changing role in the world, it's new assertiveness, and where we are likely to be headed from here. Join us for a vitally important discussion of the central issue in geopolitics today.Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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Natasha Bertrand: This Is Only the End of the Beginning of the Trump-Russia Saga: National Security Magazine by Deep State Radio

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Constitutional Rot, Part Twelve: How Much of This Can We Take?: Where do we start? Trump renews his video bromance with Vladimir Putin and Putin smiles. Then they collude to agree they didn't collude. 800 prosecutors say Trump should be charged with multiple felony counts for obstruction and while they're at it, seem to suggest that Attorney General Bill Barr is a partisan hack. Trump is above the law and there may not be anything we can do about it. Crisis? Yes. But is it a Constitutional Crisis? And who cares? Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Fund to discuss with host, David Rothkopf. Join us! Support us by supporting our sponsor: Blinkist is the only app that takes the best key takeaways, the need-to-know information from thousands of nonfiction books and condenses them down into just 15 minutes so you can read -or- listen to. Right now, for a limited time Blinkist has a special offe by Deep State Radio

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Is Donald Trump More Like Henry VIII or the Night King?: On this episode, our experts Edward Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and Kori Schake of IISS reveal the secret and disturbingly advanced plans of Donald Trump to blow the international system that America helped create after World War II. It's farther along than you might think...and scary as can be. Which leads back to the one dominant question that arises while discussing Trump--is he evil or is he just really stupid? Rosa offers a compromise. Tune in to find out what it is. Our podcasts are free and will remain free, but there are significant production costs associated with them.  Please consider supporting our work by becoming a member.  Members receive early access to all the podcasts via private feed, exclusive member-only content, discounts on Deep State Radio Swag, an ad free experience and an official Deep State Radio mug.&n by Deep State Radio

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Happy Day! It's Our Summer Reading Episode!: Deep Staters love to...drink box wine. But sometimes, when they are sober, they also love to read. Sometimes they read when they're drunk, too. But what do they read? And does it help? On this, our annual and much beloved summer reading episode we answer the questions about what you should be reading and who you should be avoiding at all costs. It'll make your summer worthwhile and it'll make you smarter. Don't miss the great perspectives of the extremely literate Kori Schake, Rosa Brooks, Evelyn Farkas and Ed Luce. Join us!Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio">http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio</a>. <hr> See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information. by Deep State Radio

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