This week I spoke to my friend Carolina Mesarina. An artist with a background in production, she's currently in the midst of a career pivot, which we unpacked in this episode. After studying acting at NYU and attending grad school, she found herself on what she calls, "the other side of the call sheet": producing. We talk about her transitioning to a more creative role through the lens of Julia Cameron's term (from The Artist's Way): “Shadow Artist”. As a Creative Producer, Carolina now makes videos and visuals for brands and individuals to help them stand out. We met in New York and have collaborated creatively over the years. She’s so genuine, smart, and creative—and one of my close friends—making the episode unique. We've had many conversations about creativity, identity, money, support, feeling on the outside, procrastination, and career transitions—only this time we recorded our conversation. Show notes-Find Carolina on the Web | Instagram- Carolina was a guest on Creative Underdogs/In Process--here's a video she made for it- Learn more about Creative Underdogs/In Process here- Sign up for the waitlist- Email me at katie@letitouttt.com if you have any questions about it - Some of Carolina's favorite movies: Earth Girls Are Easy, Species, The Burbs, any films by Pedro Almodovar- Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox- Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out:Episodes 393 & 394: Kismet Color & Intentional Chaos with Artist Kimmy Quillin Sponsors:First Person cognitive supplements: get 15% percent off your first order by going to getfirstperson.com and use code letitoutOra Organic: try Trust Your Gut and all other organic, plant-powered supplements. Get 30% off your first subscription when you text OUT to 64-000