Bret Speaks with Mattias Desmet on the subject of mass formation, a topic Mattias has spent a great deal of time exploring and has written a recent book on (The Psychology of Totalitarianism), linked bellow. They tackle this process from their differing backgrounds of expertise and discuss what it suggests about our path into the future. Find Mattias’ book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Totalitarianism-Mattias-Desmet/dp/1645021726/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1657654629&refinements=p_27%3AMattias+Desmet&s=books&sr=1-1 ***** Support the sponsors of the show: Vivo Barefoot: Shoes for healthy feet—comfortable and regenerative, enhances stability and tactile feedback. Go to www.vivobarefoot.com/us/darkhorse to get 20% off, and a 100-day free trial. Moink: Grass-fed and grass-finished beef and lamb, pastured pork and chicken, and wild caught Alaskan salmon. Visit www.moinkbox.com/darkhorse to get a year’s worth of filet mignon free when you sign up. ***** Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.  Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts.  Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.store.darkhorsepodcast.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.Support the show