Developers want bug-free code -- it frees up their time and is easier to maintain. They want secure code for the same reasons. Matias Madou joins to talk about how the definition of secure coding varies among developers and appsec teams, why it's important to understand those perspectives, and how training is just one step towards building a security culture. This week in the AppSec News: OWASP Top 10 for Kubernetes, Firefox improves security with process isolation, CNCF releases guidance on Secure Software Factories and Cloud Native Security, & the DOJ clarifies its policy on CFAA! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/secweekly Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/secweekly Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw198