Workers in the U.S. have a very strange relationship with working and not taking time off.  After going through the pandemic, Covid may have done away with the sick day.  Because of the pace of work or fears of getting in trouble, many people continued to log in for meetings and answered emails.  Managers also weren’t good role models as they took to working while sick too, this is coming despite many companies changing sick day policies to allow people more time to heal.  Emma Goldberg, reporter at the NY Times, joins us for why employees can’t seem to take a sick day.



Next, we’ll tell you about the anti-cult activism of Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.  She focused on this work after a “deprogramming” she went through after she fell in with a group she considered a cult.  She was involved with an organization called Lifespring which advertised training seminars that could help unlock hidden potential.  The group was accused of breaking participants down mentally and one man reportedly had a psychotic break.  Alex Seitz-Wald, senior politics reporter at NBC News, joins us for how Thomas got out and the controversial world of anti-cult activism.

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