The fiasco in Afghanistan is a national embarrassment, and President Biden is to blame. But what happens now? For this podcast, Lisa cuts through the chaos to get to the bottom of what’s really happening in Afghanistan and where we go from here. Her guest is Buck Sexton, one of the nation’s most popular radio hosts who served as a CIA officer in Afghanistan. She and Buck discuss what went wrong in Afghanistan, what’s happening on the ground now, what to expect moving forward, and what lessons American leaders should — but probably won't — learn from this debacle.

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