On Monday the prime minister will unveil a roadmap for how we exit lockdown. Today we look to two countries which might show us a glimpse of the future: Australia and Israel.This podcast was brought to you thanks to the support of readers of The Times and The Sunday Times. Subscribe today and get one month free at: thetimes.co.uk/storiesofourtimes.Guests: -Tom Whipple, Science editor at The Times.-Bernard Lagan, Australia correspondent at The Times.-Anshel Pfeffer, Freelance journalist for The Times.Host: Manveen Rana. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.