This week Manveen and David take a break as Times Radio presenters host the podcast, ahead of the launch of the station on the 29th June.The images of babies born via surrogate, waiting in a hotel in Ukraine for their biological parents to collect them during lockdown, were broadcast all over the world. Today, we go inside the global surrogacy industry and explore how the pandemic has disrupted the system. Guests: Olga Pysana is an Intended Parent Partner for the UK and US at the 'World Centre of Baby', a surrogacy agency in Ukraine. An anonymous expectant mum. Richard Vaughn, international fertility lawyer. Host: Jenny Kleeman, host of Times Radio's breakfast show.Clips: CBS, Euronews, Al Jazeera. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.