I am just gonna break it to you. For all you thinking that are seeking work-life balance, it doesn’t exist. There, I said it. However what we can have is work-life integration or optimization. Life will bring a lot of uncertainty and we must be ready for those diverse circumstances and the best way to do it is by learning the needed skills that make us incredibly effective and efficient within our business, marriage, parenting, finances, our health, leading yourself and others in your life.  My guest today is Jerry DePizzo, principal member of the rock band O.A.R..Over the past 25 years they’ve sold millions in albums, streams and tickets, including a sold-out performance at  Madison Square Garden.  In this episode you are going to hear about the life of a man who is a celebrity and the way he optimizes life to show up every day at his highest level. My son Ethan is also on the call and asks some questions, so there is a lot of value behind this interview, because we not only listen to the answers to the questions I ask, but most importantly, the point-of-view behind the questions from my 16 year old son. Show Notes: www.thedadedge.com/365