Author, activist, and podcast host Virgie Tovar joins us for our first ever gossip story! Join us as we revel in a messy grad school cohort and go on a camping trip with a dog named Pancake.

Check out Virgie’s podcast Rebel Eater’s Club and pre-order her new book, The Body Positive Journal.

Episode transcript available here.

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Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (@mckinneykelsey) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (@alexlaughs).

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