Al lists the top 10 things he wishes he had known when he started ministry, and Jase reveals why religion is not a puzzle to be solved. Jase tells a story about why he avoids paid ministry positions, and Al discusses popular culture and how values are determined by an unchanging standard, which is something pop culture lacks. Al relates his time being a preacher to the things taught by the Bible's speakers and teachers. And Jase disagrees with the view of "extra grace required" that is often found among believers when judging others.

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