In this episode, Dèsa speak with Dr. Germine “Gigi” Awad about the formation of AMENA PSY and her advocacy efforts for AMENA communities. They briefly talk about racial centrality as the key to understanding the importance of racial identity. Awad encourages students to claim their power while advocating for change. For more on Gigi, links from the conversation, and APA citation for this episode visit concept.paloaltou.edu   The Thoughtful Counselor is created in partnership with Palo Alto University’s Division of Continuing & Professional Studies. Learn more at concept.paloaltou.edu