In our listener survey, many said we should throw in some more discussion and analysis episodes.  Automotive writer Eric Trytko joins me to talk about Rivian's intentions to go public, what it would really take to make the goal of all new cars being electric by 2030, the need for a U.S. industrial policy, the hurdles to dealing with climate change and net zero emissions, plus getting Michiganders on the same page to get big things done.