This week Jeff interviews TJ Klune and Kirt Graves. Ravensong, the sequel to TJ's best selling Wolfsong, releases on Tuesday, July 31. TJ discusses what readers can look forward to in Ravensong, which takes place before, during and after the events in the first book. TJ also discusses what's still to come in the Green Greek series. Kirt relates how he got into audiobook narration, how he got the Wolfsong job (which was his first) and the recording of that book. Kirt and TJ also discuss how their collaboration works. Other topics include what draws readers to Joe and Ox, the length of books and why TJ likes long stories. Both of them discuss what's in their futures as well, including TJ's upcoming The Extraordinaries series and October's The Bones Beneath My Skin. Complete shownotes for episode 147 are at BigGayFictionPodcast.com.