Jeff & Will welcome married couple and collaborators Anna-Marie and Elliott McLemore for a conversation that was recorded live at Sacramento's Capital Books for the launch of the YA fantasy "Venom & Vow." They discuss how the book went from something Anna-Marie was working on solo to a co-writing project, and they share great stories about all aspects of their creative process. We also get to hear their first ever joint reading, and Jeff slips in a question about Anna-Marie's Great Gatsby remix from last year, "Self-Made Boys." Complete show notes for episode 423 along with a transcript of the show are at BigGayFictionPodcast.com. Big Gay Fiction Podcast is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. Find many more outstanding podcasts at frolic.media/podcasts! NOTE: The excerpt from "Venom & Vow" is copyright 2023 by Anna-Marie McLemore and Elliott McLemore and is used here with their permission.