Tuck speaks with theorist, author, and abolitionist Da’Shaun Harrison (they/them). Topics include: The way fatness functions as its own gender Working towards a better world without hope that we’ll achieve it Why the concept of health is unsalvageable  Why we’re tired of talking about pronouns with cis people  Plus: destroying gender! This Week in Gender: WPATH’s Standards of Care 8 is open for public comment through Dec 16. Find Da’Shaun and Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness at linktr.ee/DaShaunLH. References: “Mama’s Baby, Papa’s Maybe” by Hortense J. Spillers. Join our Patreon (patreon.com/gender) to receive our weekly newsletter, plus stickers and other rewards. Find episode transcripts and starter packs for new listeners at genderpodcast.com. We’re also on Twitter and Instagram @gendereveal. Join the Gender Detectives Slack at bit.ly/genderslack2. Associate Producer: Julia Llinas Goodman Logo: Ira M. LeighMusic: Breakmaster CylinderAdditional Music: “Littl John ” by Blue Dot Sessions Sponsors: Enby (promo code: GenderReveal) and Rev Nat’s (promo code: SNACKS)