Tuck speaks with Jackie Ess (she/her), author of Darryl. Topics include:   The future of trans literature (whatever that means) Writing from the outside and avoiding tokenization How to avoid being the worst kind of reader Hints to the subjects of Jackie’s next two books Plus: Jonathan Franzen, Jack Harlow, Casey Plett, Torrey Peters, Hugo Grotius, and the Situation? This Week in Gender: Para sports and the Paralympics. (You can read WBC’s trans inclusion policy here.) Find Jackie on Twitter @jackie_ess. Buy Darryl on Bookshop or wherever books are. Join our Patreon (patreon.com/gender) to receive our weekly newsletter, plus stickers and other rewards. Find episode transcripts and starter packs for new listeners at genderpodcast.com. We’re also on Twitter and Instagram @gendereveal. Browse our nonprofit merch shop at bit.ly/gendermerch. Associate Producer: Julia Llinas Goodman Logo: Ira M. Leigh Music: Breakmaster Cylinder Additional Music: “Friction Model” by Blue Dot Sessions Sponsors: Enby (promo code: GenderReveal)