About JasonJason Yee is Director of Advocacy at Gremlin where he helps companies build more resilient systems by learning from how they fail. He also leads the internal Chaos Engineering practices to make Gremlin more reliable. Previously, he worked at Datadog, O’Reilly Media, and MongoDB. His pandemic-coping activities include drinking whiskey, cooking everything in a waffle iron, and making craft chocolate.Links:
Break Things On Purpose podcast: https://www.gremlin.com/podcast/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/gitbisect

TranscriptAnnouncer: Hello, and welcome to Screaming in the Cloud with your host, Chief Cloud Economist at The Duckbill Group, Corey Quinn. This weekly show features conversations with people doing interesting work in the world of cloud, thoughtful commentary on the state of the technical world, and ridiculous titles for which Corey refuses to apologize. This is Screaming in the Cloud.Corey: This episode is sponsored by ExtraHop. ExtraHop provides threat detection and response for the Enterprise (not the starship). On-prem security doesn’t translate well to cloud or multi-cloud environments, and that’s not even counting IoT. ExtraHop automatically discovers everything inside the perimeter, including your cloud workloads and IoT devices, detects these threats up to 35 percent faster, and helps you act immediately. Ask for a free trial of detection and response for AWS today at extrahop.com/trial.Corey: This episode is sponsored in part by LaunchDarkly. Take a look at what it takes to get your code into production. I’m going to just guess that it’s awful because it’s always awful. No one loves their deployment process. What if launching new features didn’t require you to do a full-on code and possibly infrastructure deploy? What if you could test on a small subset of users and then roll it back immediately if results aren’t what you expect? LaunchDarkly does exactly this. To learn more, visit launchdarkly.com and tell them Corey sent you, and watch for the wince.Corey: Jason, thanks for joining me.Jason: Thanks for having me, Corey.Corey: So, you’re one of those people that we’ve always passed at conferences and other events, sort of like ships in the night. We hang out in group settings, but strangely, for whatever reason, despite traveling in the same circles for years now, we’ve never really sat down had an in-depth conversation with each other to the point where I feel like both of us are sort of wondering on some level, “Does he just not like me?” It’s been one of those items for me of, I want to catch up with Jason at some point and learn what makes him tick. And then pandemic happened. Well, no more. Thank you for talking to me.Jason: Yeah. And again, thanks for having me. I’ve always felt the same way. We’re always at these speaker dinners, or just hanging out with friends, and for some reason, I’m, like, at one end of the table, and you’re at the other. And we’ve just never had this opportunity.Corey: Exactly. Because you actually do a lot of good in the community, and I’m usually at the kids table. Which is, frankly, what happens, and honestly, it’s the right call. But you and I, I guess, are aligned in a few weird and interesting ways. And—well, let’s talk about what you do. You’re the Director of Advocacy at Gremlin. What is Gremlin, first off, and then what is a Director of Advocacy really do?Jason: So, Gremlin is a chaos engineering platform, or a reliability platform as we’re trying to sell it now. Because we started out doing chaos engineering, so some of the folks that were doing chaos engineering back at Netflix and back at Amazon, decided, most people aren’t Netflix, most people aren’t Amazon; let’s build something that everybody can use. So, Kolton and Forni, our founders, got together, they started this up. And the idea is really, how can we help people make things more reliable? And obviously, chaos engineering is one of those ways, so that’s what they started off with.And we’ve got a platfo