In today's podcast, we hear more on what happened with NSA material at (allegedly) Russian hands. Kaspersky security software alleged to have been exploited for intelligence service reconnaissance of contractor machine. Germany cancels post-Snowden surveillance investigation. Reality Winner will not be released on bail. Awais Rashid from Lancaster University on securing the supply chain. Guest is Timothy H. Edgar, author of “Beyond Snowden: Privacy, Mass Surveillance, and the Struggle to Reform the NSA.”