Journalist and author Mary O'Hara returns to Getting Curious to discuss her reporting on poverty, her new book The Shame Game: Overturning the Toxic Poverty Narrative, and her work reimagining how we talk about poverty with Project Twist-It.

She and Jonathan discuss her own experience of childhood poverty, common misconceptions around poverty in the United States and the United Kingdom, and how we can start to see social services as springboards for success.

You can find Mary O’Hara’s writing at MaryOHara.eu and in The Guardian. Follow her on Twitter @MaryOHara1, and learn more about The Shame Game here and Project Twist-It here.

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