Concluding Emerj's first AI Futures series, Dan speaks with Dr. Hugo de Garis, an enigmatic figure in AI research, who has been publishing and positing on AI methods and implications for 30+ years. Dr. De Garis ran the Artificial Brain Lab at Xiamen University. His controversial book, "The Artilect War," plays out potential conflict between AI proponents, dissidents, and the machines themselves, as AI's power rises. Episode topics include: technology-centered conflict scenarios, the AI control problem, the nature of human relationships with potential superintelligent AI, and possible forms of effective AI governance.  Conversations in this series have spanned from near-term governance to far-out notions. What do you think? And what would you like to hear next? Let us know: emerj.com/pod3