Kate and Karyne welcome their good friends Cristal and Shimina on the show this week to discuss building a community, different family units, and contacting the sperm donor when the child turns 18. Oh and they did all this while drinking, because they’re on vacation in Hawaii to celebrate Karyne and Cristal’s 40th birthday! Aloha! (We will be taking a break next week and will be back on January 23.)

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