Jim Goldgeier, former dean of the School of International Service at American University and resident scholar at the Brookings Institution, joins Trevor Thrall and guest host John Glaser to discuss President Trump’s use of irregular channels of foreign policy making in Ukraine.Jim Goldgeier BioGoldgeier and Saunders, “How much have Trump’s dealings with Ukraine deviated from the norm?” Washington PostMitchell Orenstein, “Welcome to the United States of Ukraine,” Foreign Policy See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.