Jay Bhattacharya (MD, PhD, Stanford) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University who has been working both on the epidemiology of COVID-19 as well as the appropriate policy response. He is a co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocates "focused protection" of the vulnerable over lockdowns, which it describes as having had "devastating short- and long-term effects on public health." We talk about apparent lockdown success stories, whether we should bit the bullet and lock down now because vaccines are on the way, how to account for why open states are often outperforming hard-lockdown states, what his assessment of Dr. Fauci is, and much more.