This week, we caught up with Cemre Güngör to talk about transitioning from design to product management, the tension between the roles of PD and PM, why products fail, and so much more. In The Sidebar, we discuss the most over- and under-rated skills for PMs.Golden Ratio Patrons:More than 3,000 of the world's top design teams, including BuzzFeed, Ogilvy, MetaLab and Hulu use Float to plan their projects and schedule their team’s time. Float is the most accurate tool for planning your project resources and scheduling your team's time. Learn more at float.com/designdetailsLatest VIP Patrons:Huge shoutouts to our latest Very Important Pixels!Zack AronsonEzra EverhartBob WassermannRuben Alexander DreymannHarley ThomasSebastian WintherJan HaalandQin BianYUJING CUINicholas DauchotEmilyThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to full episodes going forward! Sign up at https://patreon.com/designdetails.In this week's Sidebar, we ask Cemre some bonus questions at the end of the interview:What is the most under-rated skill for product managers?What is the most over-rated skill for product managers?Do you find that your success thus far is mostly the result of luck or hard work?Interview:This week we caught up with Cemre Güngör, a product designer turned product manager, currently working on AR and Camera at Instagram. Last week we answered a listener question: Should I be a Product Manager?Cemre co-founded Branch, which was acquired by Facebook in 2014.Designers at FB that were mentioned:Mike MatasJoey FlynnMac TylerBrandon WalkinCracking the PM InterviewAdam Mosseri is the Head of Instagram.Henri Liriani is a designer-turned PM working on Messenger.Facebook Lite is amazingly successful in emerging markets.Facebook Paper lives on with a handful of screen recordings that Brian took in 2016.GK3 is a designer at Instagram, and has previously appeared on Design Details: 15: Her Left Me ft. Jeremy Goldberg and George Kedenburg23: Brains are Stupid ft. Christophe Tauziet, Jeremy Goldberg, and George KedenburgMills Baker has also appeared on Design Details, 206: Aspirational Open Mindedness ft. Mills BakerDesigner DudsShreyas Doshi is a fantastic product thinker with great tweets.Cool Things:Brian shared Hamilton (again), now streaming on Disney+. If you've been sitting on the sidelines, sit no more - this is a masterpiece.Marshall shared the Mac Candle No. 2 by Twelve South, in case you need an Apple-inspired candle.Cemre shared Waking Up, a guide to understanding the mind – in app form – by Sam Harris.Related reading: Waking Up, the book, Making Sense, and Lying.Design Details on the Web:? We are @designdetailsfm? Brian is @brian_lovin? Marshall is @marshallbock? Don't have Twitter? Email us at designdetailsfm@gmail.com? Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!