How can designers take business leadership roles? What skills can make them more relevant in the entire business system? Our guest today is Ryan Rumsey, the founder of Second Wave Dive and the author of Business Thinking for Designers. You’ll learn about the various types of leadership, as well as the tools and strategies designers can use at the decision-making table.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesBusiness Thinking for Designers — Ryan’s bookTransformational leadership — a concept of leadership suggested by RyanDesign sprints, retrospectives — the designer “ceremonies”Analytical storytelling — the alternative to traditional narrative storytellingBarbara Minto — the founder of the SCQA framework and Pyramid PrincipleEpisode 70: Articulating Design Decisions with Tom GreeverFull range leadership — a general leadership model that was developed in the 90sTransactional leadership — Ryan refers to this type of leadership as more authoritarianOKRs, KPIs — both great and necessary according to Ryan, but lack any relation between them and can prove to be a struggle within the organization.Ryan Rumsey — Ryan’s personal websiteSecond Wave Dive — Ryan’s companyUse coupon code UIBREAKFAST to get $200 off Ryan’s upcoming course, Business Thinking IntensiveToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for your SaaS product. At Userlist, our mission is to make your founder journey more enjoyable and less overwhelming. That’s why we built an email automation tool that does exactly what you need. No more, no less. Manage your users, segment them, and get in touch throughout their journey — all based on their behavior. Try Userlist free whenever you’re ready at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Help FoundersAnd here’s another product featured in our Help Founders section. Screenjar makes it easy to request screen recordings from customers to help diagnose support issues that are hard to explain with text. Screenjar is an ideal tool for those managing customer support for web-based products. Head over to screenjar.com to learn more.If you’d like your product to be featured for free on multiple awesome shows, welcome to apply at helpfounders.com.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.