“The world isn’t so evil as people assume,” says Joel Stein, journalist, funnyman, and author of In Defense of Elitism. Stein joins chief content officer Elise Loehnen to talk about what he uncovered when he decided to investigate why people vote the way they do. And how he came to understand where people with very different voting behaviors were coming from. He explains his take on elitism, why a democracy doesn’t have to work best to be worth fighting for, and why he believes “there’s a healthy revolutionary attitude about questioning the people in power.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)