We live in a time of political division and public fear about the future. But one conversation with Dr. Crow might just make you optimistic. Dr. Crow has been the president of Arizona State since 2002. He previously served as Executive Vice Provost of Columbia University, where he also taught science and technology policy. In Crow’s years working with students of the digital age – the Sapiens [dot] net as he calls them – he has been comforted by their intelligence, their creativity, and their commitment to inclusivity. For more on the In The Arena podcast, visit https://www.governing.com/ITA