What's in this episode? Welcome to the next episode of our #voctechpodcast series! This week I’m in conversation with Shaun Gear from the Ministry of Education in New Zealand to talk about vocational learning reform. We talk about improving standards in vocational learning, how to involve the wider community outside of training providers and employers, and creating hubs of best practice. Thank you to Ufi Voctech Trust for supporting this series and vocational skills development in the UK, through their investments and grants in vocational technology. You can check out their work here. You can follow the series conversation using #voctechpodcast and #voctech Happy listening! People Sophie Bailey is the Founder and Presenter of The Edtech Podcast | Twitter: @podcastedtech Shaun Gear, Integration Adviser - Employer, Business and Industry - Parent Information and Community Intelligence, Ministry of Education New Zealand | Twitter: @ShaunGear1 Show Notes and References   Check out https://theedtechpodcast.com/edtechpodcast for the full show notes. Tell us your story We'd love to hear your thoughts. Record a quick free voicemail via speakpipe for inclusion in the next episode. Or you can post your thoughts or follow-on links via twitter @podcastedtech or via The Edtech Podcast Facebook page or Instagram.