Christian Ward and Dan Berry get together to talk about Christian's journey to, from and back to comics, teaching, storytelling and climbing that ladder. Please consider supporting the show on Patreon. No episode, no charge, no obligation! $1 per episode isn't so bad eh? Music by the astonishing Jim Guthrie. Edited and Produced by Dan's tiny baby* brother Simon Berry.  *Simon would like it known that although he is my younger brother he is both a) taller and b) a full grown adult man.