Michael Shaw is an artist and podcast host & producer based in Los Angeles. While working as an artist and writing about art, in late 2011 he started The Conversation Art Podcast, a show that “goes behind the scenes and between the lines of the contemporary art worlds.” Inspired by his own experiences holding down a variety of jobs and projects over the years to support himself, and wanting to reach a wider audience than the niche of the art world, he created his 2nd podcast, How I Get By, to address concepts including day jobs, living on a wide spectrum of income levels and general work/life satisfaction. You can see his art at michaelshawstudio.com Topics Discussed In This Episode: Why he started his podcast, “The Conversation: Art Podcast” Our experiences podcasting and our interactions with listeners Social experimentation Collaboration Seneca Obscure films The Italian Film, “The Best of Youth” The films, “Lady Bird”, “Manchester by the Sea”, and “Sorry To Bother You” Pop music and popular podcasts www.artistdecoded.com